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Nintendo Wii discussion
« on: March 04, 2005, 01:23:08 PM »

This doesn't bode well, from Nintendo's president Satoru Iwata at kikizo.com:

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"If the next generation platforms are going to create even more gorgeous looking games using further enhanced functionality, and if that next-gen market can still expand the games industry, I'm afraid that third-parties may not support Nintendo", he admitted to respected trade publication MCV.

I'm inferring that the Revolution isn't focusing so much on technical aspects of presentation like enhanced graphics and processing power, which is mainly where Microsoft and Sony concentrate their efforts (though the Revolution will most likely have similar capabilities), but will have some "gimmick" (not necessarily a pejorative) that fundamentally changes the way games are played. That could be harmful to third-party support, true. I've read rumors that the Revolution will have a "touch-sensitive" controller that responds to how you grip it. The fewer buttons on the GameCube controller have resulted in some difficult button combos in multi-platform games, how is a third-party developer going to handle something truly odd like that?

I love the touch-screen of the DS, even if it hasn't been fully exploited by most Western games. Some developers have met the challenge and are offering some really unique titles, while others are content to throw a map on there or let you steer a car with the stylus. The same is probably true of whatever "twist" Nintendo has planned. Still, while I am personally excited about the possibilities, it further segregates them as a company seemingly out of the mainstream and will probably hurt them in sales and reputation.
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Re: Nintendo Revolution discussion
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2005, 01:50:45 PM »

From another Iwata inverview at kikizo.com:

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Kikizo: OK, because the next generation of consoles is approaching now. I know Sony hasn't said much apart from some technology mentions, and Microsoft has development kits for Xbox 2 around all the publishers, and it will announce it very soon. How do you see the next generation battle taking place?

Satoru Iwata: Well I really don't believe that there will be a bright future waiting for the so-called next generation consoles that Sony and Microsoft are advocating right now. As you may know I was developing games until quite recently myself, I know how it is, and if any of these developers come to me and say, look, CPU or processing power is ten times as much as today, graphic capability is twenty times, then I will say, that means more workload and slight difference with the current system in terms of letting people understand how improved the graphics shall be. So just as we have established with handheld gaming with the DS, just for example, if we cannot change the user interface of the current home console system, and let consumers understand we are changing how the games are being played, then I am sorry, but it must be difficult for anyone to persuade people to purchase so-called next generation consoles.

He is completely wrong on this, I think. If anything, a game that suddenly has a completely different control scheme (touch screen, squeezable controller, etc.) is a much harder sell than a game with better graphics or a faster framerate, no matter how much fun it might be. As he also states, such advances in hardware will be reflected in the price of game development, so maybe Nintendo will offer cheaper games, though those low prices may end up interpreted as evidence of lower quality. I recently read (though I'm not prepared to blindly accept it) that the GameCube costs a mere $28 to manufacture. If that is true, and the trend continues with Revolution, even third place can be profitable.
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Re: Nintendo Revolution discussion
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2005, 02:03:41 PM »

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I recently read (though I'm not prepared to blindly accept it) that the GameCube costs a mere $28 to manufacture. If that is true, and the trend continues with Revolution, even third place can be profitable.


I have felt for some time that Nintendo's #1 goal is to remain profitable while Microsoft loses so much money ($3+ billion on Xbox 1, who knows how much on Xbox 2) that their shareholders make them leave the game market.   Don't sweat the marketshare, just stay profitable and wait until there is no more 3-way fight.   Makes sense to me.
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Re: Nintendo Revolution discussion
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2005, 03:09:58 PM »

Iwata gave his keynote speech at the GDC today. Here is IGN's report.

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Iwata also announced that Revolution would feature backward compatibility with GameCube, which means that consumers will be able to play GCN software on the next console.

In addition, the Nintendo president said that Revolution would be Wi-Fi compatible out of the box. The revelation goes hand-in-hand with the company's newly announced DS online network, which enables owners of the handheld to connect to the Internet wirelessly and play against each other.

Backwards compatible and online. Sweet.
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Re: Nintendo Revolution discussion
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2005, 03:13:49 PM »

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Re: Nintendo Revolution discussion
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2005, 03:26:52 PM »

Now that's still Gamecube for Zelda, right?

Reggie said in a recent inverview that they are waffling regarding the platform for Mario 128.
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Re: Nintendo Revolution discussion
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2005, 03:37:36 PM »

Yup, Zelda for GC. I think it looks fantastic. I bet Mario 128 gets pushed to the Revolution. A new Mario probably isn't going to entice anyone who doesn't already own a GC to get one, but it will damn sure sell systems as a launch title.
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Re: Nintendo Revolution discussion
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2005, 04:49:08 PM »

This is interesting news.  I never thought Nintendo would make a backwards compatible console.  It surprised me that the GBA was backwards compatible.  It was even more surprising that the DS was.  That fact that it would play GBA games sold me on it.  For them to do this with the Revolution is revolutionary for Nintendo.  Obviously I’m excited by this and the fact that it will be WIFI out of the box.  Hopefully Nintendo will actually support online play this time around. 

The best part about the BC is that puts to rest the rumored development problems that might come into play because Nintendo was going to have some new fangled control scheme.  What ever the new controllers will look like, they’ll have to at least support the GCN library.  I see this a good news and am now very much looking to 2006. 
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Re: Nintendo Revolution discussion
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2005, 05:32:12 PM »

Another thing this announcement does for me is relieve me of my worries that my Gamecube might fail.  I bought it at launch and have never had any trouble, but if it were to take a dive, a replacement Cube wouldn’t have the digital video output.  No more progressive scan for me.  So as long as the Revolution supports progressive scan (and if it doesn’t someone will need to kick Nintendo in the balls) then all I’ll have to do is wait.

I wonder if this announcement means anything to Microsoft?  If both PS3 and Revolution have backwards compatibility, it could hurt Xbox 360 not to.  What do you guys think?
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Re: Nintendo Revolution discussion
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2005, 10:25:00 AM »

Business Week interview with Iwata

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Q: Well, you showed several new games that used voice commands. Is that one of your candidates?
A: It certainly makes a game better to have voice commands, because it can alter how the game is played. But the fact of the matter is, to realize voice commands, all you have to do is install a microphone. We realize a few of our competitors are already thinking of following us on this, so it will not be a defining feature of the new console. We may or may not use the microphone in the new [Nintendo Revolution] interface.
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Re: Nintendo Revolution discussion
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2005, 10:36:09 AM »

Voice commands in Ubisoft games (RS3) certainly predate the DS, so I don't see anybody 'following' Nintendo.
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Re: Nintendo Revolution discussion
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2005, 08:34:29 PM »

Nintendo won't unveil Revolution at E3.

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Citing fears that Sony and Microsoft might copy some of the revolutionary ideas, Nintendo head honcho Satoru Iwata decided to withdraw previous statements and has now decided to not show the new Nintendo Revolution at E3 next month. Instead, visitors will have to be content with rolling demos of titles in development, a better look at the Nintendo online service, new Pokemon titles, and a new playable version of the latest Zelda title.

The quote is from worthplaying.com and is the whole sum of their statement. I've read that the story originated at spong.com, so it might not be worth the pixels it takes to display it.
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Re: Nintendo Revolution discussion
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2005, 09:24:50 PM »

From cnet.com:

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Chipmaker Broadcom has signed a contract with Nintendo to provide wireless technology for the company's next game console, the companies announced on Tuesday. Broadcom is one of the leading makers of components for Wi-Fi and other wireless communications gear.

Nintendo has revealed few details on its next console, code-named "Revolution", but company president Satoru Iwata confirmed recently that the machine would have built-in support for wireless networking. Nintendo is expected to reveal more on its next-generation plans at the Electronic Entertainment Expo, or E3, trade show next month.
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Re: Nintendo Revolution discussion
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2005, 10:58:59 AM »

I wonder if all these next gen consoles that will apparently have wireless built in, will also have an option for a wired connection.  Sometimes wireless can get a bit laggy.
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