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Re: Gaming in the News
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2006, 12:02:38 PM »

Isn't that the original tagline for this website?

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Re: Gaming in the News
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2006, 12:34:28 PM »

That is a little extreme.  I do agree with laws banning the sale of violent games to minors but to restrict them to everyone is a little much.  Next they will band R rated movies and liquor too. 
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Re: Gaming in the News
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2006, 01:07:59 PM »

Meh...this is another post-mortem equine flogging. If you ban violent videogames, you'd have to ban violent movies, TV and books as well. It'll never happen.   (crosses fingers)   ;D
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Re: Gaming in the News
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2006, 06:35:52 PM »

I problem I see here doesn't lie with the game industry, but with the parents.  If a game says "17 and up", don't let your ten year old play it.  If a parent does let their minor play a violent/sexually explicit video game, that's not the game industry's fault.  People in office like to blame them because it makes them look like they're looking out for "families" to the voters.  I'm surprised more people don't see right through this, but I suppose those are the people that don't play VG in the first place so they'll believe what government officials and the media tells them. 

The bottom line here is that VG aren't just for kids anymore.  I don't see anything more the industry itself can do than what it's already doing:  Putting ratings on games to restrict sales.  The stores can take responsibility by having harsher selling policies (i.e.-carding, the ESRB can implement fines and send in minors like they do with alcohol and cigs) but after that it's the parent's responsibility to restrict these games for their children (or should be).  And let's face it, that'll never happen.  And those in office aren't about to call out the parents on this one. 
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Re: Gaming in the News
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2006, 08:37:39 PM »

I agree with you completely Maggi.  I don't see how it is unconstitutional to restrict the sale of M rated games to minors yet it is ok to keep kids out of R rated movies in the theatres. 
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Re: Gaming in the News
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2006, 09:07:49 PM »

I agree with you completely Maggi.  I don't see how it is unconstitutional to restrict the sale of M rated games to minors yet it is ok to keep kids out of R rated movies in the theatres. 

Actually, legislation to make it a crime for kids to buy 'M' rated games (shot down as unconstitutional) or this posturing about 'making all violent games' illegal both go way beyond the MPAA rating system.   The system of rating moves 'G/PG/PG-13/R/NC-17' is a completely voluntary practice of the movie business and no law has any relation to it.   An usher or ticket seller can let a 10-year-old into an R-rated film and no law has been broken, the law doesn't even address it.

If anything, the current game rating system of the last few years and the MPAA rating system are almost identical; they are voluntary systems to guide both parents and the sellers of media.

Ultimately the parents, not the industry or the game stores, need to be responsible IMO.   If they aren't, make them accountable, and nobody else, for what their kids are exposed to.
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Re: Gaming in the News
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2006, 10:30:31 AM »

I think you're absolutely right Mike.  On a sort of side note however, the state of North Carolina has made it a law that no one gets into an R rated movie unless escorted by an adult.  NC considered that to be 21.  I worked at a movie theater for a while and it was some kind of "contributing to exposing minors to objectional material" or something like that.  The advertisements say "17 and up" but technically in NC, you have to be 18 to buy your R rated ticket and you have to be 21 to buy asomeone else's.  Not only that, but that person 21 or over has to be in the theater with them.  I can't tell you how many confrontations I had with parents that wanted to buy their 14 year old a ticket to see "Sin City" and then leave them to see it by themselves.  Now, do theaters here enforce that?  No, of course not.  And I don't think it's regulated all that much, so I don't know how strict of a "law" that is.  But we were told by the managers that if they caught us letting a minor into an R rated movie without adult supervision, we would be fired on the spot.   I think that the sole responsibility should lie with the parents, but we're living in an age where parents just want their kids to be quiet and out of the way even if that means they are exposed to material that's not appropriate for them.   
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Re: Gaming in the News
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2006, 11:07:33 AM »

Maggi,

I did some searching around your laws and I can't find anything about your parental movie laws (though I did find some video game bills that haven't passed yet).   From past experience, I know that some employers will make up or exaggerate 'laws' to get their employees to err on the side of caution and avoid angering customers (or their parents).

There's nothing to stop retailers from implementing their own policies that go beyond the law (Wal-Mart and Best Buy have done this to a degree, I believe).   Heck, if Game Crazy wanted to go way beyond restrict all games other than 'E'-rated ones to adults 21 and over, they can do it.   Then they get the other problem, where parents will come in and scream that their kids should be able to buy the games without inconveniencing the parents.   I know that happens with movies around here, some parents want their 13-year-olds to be able to get into R-rated films by themselves (especially if they are 'just' violent and don't have any of that 'nasty' sex or nudity) and they'll complain to the theater owners for not letting them in!
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Re: Gaming in the News
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2006, 11:12:40 AM »

Sorry, I always thought movie ratings were a law.  I didn't realize it was voluntary.  I guess it works differently  up here.  Here theatres have been fined for letting underage children into restricted movies.  They now ID at most R rated movies at the door to the specific theatre so kids can't buy a ticket to one movie and then sneak into another.  Not that I ever did that.  ::)  Movies can get around the ratings here by just being "unrated" but no theatres will show it then.  

I also agree that parents should be the ultimate person responsible for what their kids buy or see.  While it is impossible to monitor everything (I saw plenty of things when I was younger my parents didn't know about) they don't really have an excuse for games their kids bring into the house.  My parents always tried to know what games I was playing.  

Some parents need to realize that the video games and tv are not babysitters.  It's no wonder some kids grow up with a warped sense of what is real and what isn't.  

Mike, I knew lots of parents (my own included) who would rather me watch excessive violence than some bare breasts.  I had a friend once who was the opposite of that.  His parents would rather him watch nudity than violence.  They figured one day he would have sex but didn't want him to be violent. 
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Re: Gaming in the News
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2006, 11:20:56 AM »

Sean,

Parental acceptance of violent material versus sexual material is definitely the rule here down here in the lower 48.   Most parents seem to be completely freaked out over even non-sexual nudity but seem to have no problem with graphical violence that goes well beyond that which was shown in any movies when I was a kid in the 70s.
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Re: Gaming in the News
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2006, 11:22:18 AM »

Also remember that while a jurisdiction may not have a "movie age restriction" law on the books, prosecutors have been know to bring quasi-related charges in order to crack down on this sort of thing (obscenity laws, endangering the welfare of a minor, etc.)

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Re: Gaming in the News
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2006, 11:25:04 AM »

..... when I was a kid in the 70s.

Sorry, I can't relate there.   ;) 



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Re: Gaming in the News
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2006, 11:28:26 AM »

Also remember that while a jurisdiction may not have a "movie age restriction" law on the books, prosecutors have been know to bring quasi-related charges in order to crack down on this sort of thing (obscenity laws, endangering the welfare of a minor, etc.)

Dave, University of Maryland School of Law '97

Dave,

Wouldn't be fair to say that in prosecuting such a case that they would have to do it based on the specific content of a specific film (plus community standards, yadda yadda yadda), and not based on a rating alone?
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Re: Gaming in the News
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2006, 12:14:35 PM »

Maggi,

I did some searching around your laws and I can't find anything about your parental movie laws (though I did find some video game bills that haven't passed yet).   From past experience, I know that some employers will make up or exaggerate 'laws' to get their employees to err on the side of caution and avoid angering customers (or their parents).

It's under NC S14-190.15  Link

Now this is listed for 13 years and younger, but this is what the theater I worked at has posted, so there is an element of covering their butts.  The MPA calls it "exhitbiting harmful performances to minors"
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Re: Gaming in the News
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2006, 12:36:43 PM »

Well, there's a huge difference between a law that makes it illegal to show children obscene material (every state has laws like this), and a law making it illegal to show an R-rated film to minors.   Not just because of the age difference, but because R-rated films are not automatically obscene (and even then, the determination would be made by community, not state).   Actually, I don't know that any R-Rated film (since the advent of that rating) has ever been found obscene.

I can't really fault a theater owner for being overly cautious, and I'm not even surprised that they would misrepresent law to their employees.

Anyhow, this is all getting kind of nitpicking so I think I'm going to drop it.  :D
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